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Joe Lieberman is going to lose.

by delmoi, Tue Aug 01, 2006 at 07:51:07 PM EST

I don't just mean the primary; Joe Lieberman is going to lose the General Election as well. His choice to run in the primary and in the general was a terrible mistake. When he made the choice, I thought it was a minor one. It made him look weak and a little spineless, but that's something voters can forgive. But now it's clear that he's going to lose the democratic nomination, and lose it big. And if there's one thing voters don't want to vote for it's a loser. Not only that, but it's becoming painfully obvious that Lieberman has absolutely no connection with the liberal core who votes in primaries as this fantastic TPM post shows that goes both ways. He despises us as much as we despise him.

His entire strategy is to go after idiots, "Low information voters" but how many idiots can there be? Joe's gross attempts to race-bait black low-info voters is really offensive and will hopefully backfire.

A bit more on why I think he'll lose the general inside.

So I think not only will Joe lose the primary, but I think he'll be slaughtered. I fully expect Lamont to get 60+% of the primary vote. Why so high? Well, this isn't an election where the population is roughly split between liberal and conservative "teams" this is an election where most people pretty much agree on the basic things, and everyone is pretty much on the same page.

What about the general? Well, if Holy Joe gets his ass handed to him in the primary, why would any liberal or democrat vote for him in the general? You're left with independents and republicans, and their vote will be split between Lieberman and the Alan Gold (it's easier to remember his gambling name then his real name :). Lieberman will continue to try to woo centrists rather then sticking to his guns about what he believes and why. And that's another reason his decision to run in both races is so harmful. If he had simply accepted that he'd drifted away from the Democratic Party as it was and ran as an independent with beliefs X, Y and Z people might have voted for him. But now he just looks like a wishy-washing wanker who's passion is only for power and nothing else. It seems like the only thing that matters to him is being liked by everyone, not by a passion for reforming the government.

Anyway, it'll be nice to see him go. I've always hated the guy, even as a kid, for his stance against violent video games :P. Time has only given me more reasons to dislike him.

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Re: Joe Lieberman is going to lose. (3.00 / 1)

I hope you're right, and you may well be, but pease don't say this until next week! Work like we're neck and neck, and be pleasantly surprised.

And yes, I just forked over another $100 to Lamont, and am going to CT next weekend.

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by Go Vegetarian on Tue Aug 01, 2006 at 08:27:14 PM EST

Re: Joe Lieberman is going to lose. (3.00 / 1)

Well, if Holy Joe gets his ass handed to him in the primary, why would any liberal or democrat vote for him in the general?

Right on. Those who think Joe will throw this seat to the Republicans if he loses the primary are sniffing glue. Joe has no chance as an independent, primarily because he's then marked as a loser -- 40/40/10 split, my ass; Joe might or might not get a bit more than the Republican, but Lamont --having won the Dem primary -- in a three way would take it decisively --, and secondly because he instantly loses the instutional support of the Democratic party (such as it is). Even Clinton has said that he will support the Democrat who emerges from the primary. Is Schumer really gonna go against the Big Dog?

Joe's only chance is in the primary. I hope he'll take the honorable way out and not attempt to go independent if he loses, for the sake of preserving what's left of his dignity, but an independent Joe run certainly isn't a threat to a presumptive Senator Lamont; we need not worry about it.

by lightyearsfromhome on Tue Aug 01, 2006 at 09:50:57 PM EST

endorsements (3.00 / 1)

I think another major problem for Lieberman is withdrawal of endorsements if he loses the primary. Right now he has lined up big name Democrats to back him, including the Clintons, Pelosi, et al.

When he loses the primary, those Democrats will then need to endorse the actual Democratic candidate. I cant wait to see Bill Clinton say, "Joe was a good Democrat, but now he has left the party, and I am endorsing Ned Lamont in the Senate race."

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by Winston Smith on Tue Aug 01, 2006 at 10:20:50 PM EST

Re: Joe Lieberman is going to lose. (none / 0)

All the jewish senators have the same problem, they simply can't distinguish their support for Israel from their duty as US Senate. They seem to have more support for their home country. And that's them seem out of step. Schumer and Feinstein and Feingold are tip for tap like Schumer voting for the war and voting for John Bolton, Feintein supporting the war. And Feingold supporting Roberts, it has nothing to do with Israel, but it represents alot of jews who supported Roberts. The difference is is that they criticize Bush far more than Lieberman has been able to do.

by olawakandi on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:58:37 AM EST

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Why do you think this is a Jewish issue? Most US politicians are happy to support Israel when doing so is not in the national interests of the United States.

John McCain loves war.

by Winston Smith on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 02:58:20 AM EST
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Yea, the reason why most Americans support Israel because of the jewish lobby and they have a strong military. All I am saying is that Schumer and Lieberman should be more even handed in making judgements about public policy, they aren't in Israel. You don't see black politicans making decisions over US policy when it comes to Africa.

by olawakandi on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 07:52:49 AM EST
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This looks wrongheaded to me.

First, I think it's a mistake to lump Schumer and Lieberman together. Second, I think it's a mistake to lump all Jewish lawmakers together. Third, I think it's a mistake to say most Americans support Israel because of the Jewish lobby. Fourth, I think there's plenty of evidence that Democrats have been very even-handed in their policy regarding Israel.

Voters' issues with Lieberman are about much, much more than his support for Israel, however it is expressed.

Karl in Drexel Hill, PA

by KB on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 09:40:13 AM EST
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You said it has nothing to do with the Jewish lobby well they are an interest group like the others. Like you have Haitian interest groups and hispanic interest groups. And you said it isn't proper to lump Schumer and Lieberman together, they were the first to say that Bolton, Roberts and Alito shouldn't be filibustered, that tells me something about them. Although, Schumer has criticized Bush alot more than Lieberman. It isn't a mistake to criticize politicans when they need to and not criticize them and not vote them out when they need, like Lieberman.

by olawakandi on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 12:10:01 PM EST
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Re: Joe Lieberman is going to lose. (3.00 / 0)

I said it's a mistake to ascribe American public opinion on Israel to some nebulous Jewish lobby. I stand by that.

I said it's a mistake to lump Schumer and Lieberman together. That's because Lieberman has gone way out of his way to criticize our party, where Schumer has been more circumspect. I don't particularly care if they have the same view on some issue X. That is true of any two Senators. If there's some issue X that gets you all in a lather - hey, fine, whatever floats your boat.

I certainly didn't say you shouldn't criticize politicians when they should be criticized. I was trying to point out that your brush was overly broad and that you were painting a ridiculous picture because of it.

Criticize away. There's certainly plenty to complain about. I'm still annoyed that Schumer's anti-spam bill (years ago) preempted better state laws.

But Lieberman's Jewishness is hardly interesting when it comes to evaluating him vs Lamont for CT's Senate seat. His record of counterproductive statements and pro-Republican stances are much the issue. If you can't see that, perhaps you should lurk a bit before posting. If you can see it, then you should probably think about getting a brush with finer bristles.

Karl in Drexel Hill, PA

by KB on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 01:57:34 PM EST
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I said that you should recognize that the jewish lobby is an interest group just like the other ethnic groups just like the Arab league and hispanic group, and to not recognize that is to be blinded.

by olawakandi on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 02:47:49 PM EST
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I said ...

Actually, it is what you meant. It's certainly not what you said. Scroll back up and read your words in your original comment in this thread.

I am not blinded to interest groups' influence, and certainly not those groups which are ethnically based. I understand your point now.

A little clarity goes a long way. Thanks for clarifying.

Karl in Drexel Hill, PA

by KB on Thu Aug 03, 2006 at 01:12:04 AM EST
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Oh, I see, I meant to not understand, not blinded, I got carried away,

by olawakandi on Thu Aug 03, 2006 at 08:19:12 AM EST
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The hispanic interest group influence public opinion by pushing immigration issues, and the jewish lobby push their issues through politicians. It is not a mistake to say that. And Schumer on Josh Bolton and Lieberman on the War on Iraq needs to consider public opinion as well as their home country interest at heart. Instead of putting their home country first. That's all I have been trying to say all along.

by olawakandi on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 02:56:08 PM EST
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This viewpoint you express is remarkable:

All the jewish senators have the same problem, they simply can't distinguish their support for Israel from their duty as US Senate. They seem to have more support for their home country.

Home country? You believe all Jewish Senators are actually more loyal to Israel than the United States? You believe their home country is Israel?

You are mistaken.

Charles Schumer is an American and was born an American.

Schumer was born to a Jewish family in Brooklyn, where he still lives today. He attended public schools in Brooklyn, scoring a 1600 on the SAT, and graduated as the valedictorian from James Madison High School in 1967.

Joseph Lieberman is an American and was born an American.

Lieberman was born in Stamford, Connecticut to Henry Lieberman (b. Apr, 3, 1915 - d. Jan 3, 1986), the son of Polish Jewish immigrants and Marcia Manger (b. Nov. 1, 1914 - d. Jun. 25, 2005) of Austrian Jewish background.

Both men have politics that often cross mine but I'd be a fool to mistake them for anything other than loyal Americans who care deeply about the safety and security of the United States.

by Curt Matlock on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 03:52:15 PM EST
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You say that Jews aren't loyal to Israel. It doesn't matter where you are born, their home country is Isral. Just like Blacks aren't Afrian but they have African heritage. The jews eventhough they aren't born in Israel, their ancestors do come from Israel. During the crusades and everything else.

by olawakandi on Thu Aug 03, 2006 at 08:21:47 AM EST
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Also, back when Jesus was born, who is the great ancester of all the Jews, he was born in Israel. Moses was an ancestor and so on and so forth. So it don't matter, the ancestory is from Israel.

by olawakandi on Thu Aug 03, 2006 at 08:22:53 AM EST
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I meant most Jews can't distinguish between their heritage and their loyalty to the United States. Josh Bolton should not be confirmed and we need a presipitous withdrawal on Iraq.

by olawakandi on Thu Aug 03, 2006 at 08:34:22 AM EST
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I meant vote them out when they need to.

by olawakandi on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 12:15:06 PM EST

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